Whether you believe in it or not. Church folks need to 'GO DOWN'! For the word of God tells us; Mark 8:35; For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.  Yeah it also means, no matter how much of christian experience, or even having the Holy Ghost. You need to 'GO DOWN'! See, we have to remember; Proverbs 14:34; Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. Church folks need to 'GO DOWN'! Romans 7:18; For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. Romans 8:8; So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. After Jesus breathed on the disciples they received the Holy Ghost, John 20:22. But, in Luke 24:49; And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Church, it's a must; John 3:6; That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is sprit. v7; Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Church folks need to 'GO DOWN'! 2 Corinthians 5:17; Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new. Philippians 1:21; For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. Church folks need to 'GO DOWN'! 1 Peter 5:6; Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time. Church folks need to 'GO DOWN'! Overseer/Apostle